He was the Sith's ultimate scholar. PERIOD! Darth nihilus should be on this list because first of all he could not die of age or sickness or pretty much anything, also he could steal force from a whole planet so imao I think he should be on this list. Since Darth Plagueis operated in the shadows, unbeknownst to the Jedi and rest of the galaxy, he had little need of lightsabers. Darth Plaguies 5. All in all, between the cream of the cream in lightsaber dueling skill, those 4 are miles apart from the others, and maybe I should have added that to the piece - however, measuring them all, I thought Tulak Hord had a little bit less than the one I chose to star in this article. However, as far as power-wielding goes, he never quite reaches the levels others here have possessed. Sarasu Taalon 1. The reason why he is contained in his mask and robe is due to how strong he had become because it was making him fade away. If we include Legacy lore Vitiate is by FAR the most powerfull being in Starwars lore. A great deal of time later, King Ommin resurrected Freedon Nadd, and he took a new apprentice, one that was meant to be the greatest and strongest Sith Lord of all time. With Vader, he purged all of the Jedi he found and took over the galaxy, forming the Galactic Empire. The Sith are the main antagonists in the fictional universe of the Star Wars franchise. I for one thought that Vader should be a little higher on the list. I think death sion should be on the lists top 3, So no Darth nihilus, literally this guy could best any of these Sith without a problem except he may struggle with Kun and vitiate. !I don't know anything about them!!!!!!!!☹️. From the start, Zannah showed signs as a telekinetic savant adept at using a double bladed lightsaber. You are nobodies. I am going with Mace Windu in battle and ol' Palpatine politically because of what he accomplished (albeit for evil) virtually alone. Rui Carreira (author) from Torres Novas on January 09, 2020: You should check my Top 50 List. As far as Vader is concerned, he only struggled against Obi-Wan because Obi Wan's fighting style was a direct counter to the fighting style Anakin adopted. When Kun left the order, he entered the tomb of previously discussed Sith Lord Freedon Nadd. Rui Carreira (author) from Torres Novas on May 08, 2020: I have a video about her, search youtube for Darth Talon Star Academy, I Belive that Naga Sidow is more powerfull than Ulic quel- Droma and Tulak Horde the lord of the hate is more powerfull than Freedon Nad and that Darth Nihilus the lord of the hunger is more powerfull than Darth Plagueis. Be sure to subscribe! Leaving nihilus off this list is unforgivable, he was technically the most deadly with of all time, single handedly wiping out multiple planets and feeding off of their force energy. And in my opinion let me ask, WHERE? But if you thought Darth Vader was badass, then you're going to love the other Dark Lords of the Order that paved the way. You should watch the movie again. Maul was inexperienced and Vader would adapt to his style. Either way, he's still pretty evil. The temple was used as an ancient superweapon. Tulak Hord (Who slaughtered a thousand Jedi with his lightsaber, pulled ships out of the sky with simple gestures and crashed them, fed off his opponents and caused terrible fear in them. Period! But he didn't get to a place where he could make up his own rules without killing his fair share of Jedi and Sith alike. Question: How do you know all of these Sith lords, most of them I have never seen or heard of on Star Wars? Freedon Nadd was a Sith Lord in a very ancient world. Created the Golden Age of the Sith. Darth Vitiate or Revan, Sidious is logically the most powerful Sith even past Revan which some seemed to argue but let's apply real logic to this, every generation begins to surpass the last so it makes sense that Sidious, the newest Emperor with all the knowledge of EVERY Sith lord before him including Bane and many others. And we’re done with this extensive Strongest, … 3 Darth Traya a long line of increasingly powerful force sensitives means darth maul, the latest in a line of extremly powerful force sensitives, would be the strongest of all of them, he also learned rather fast, by the age of around 20 he had learned all 7 lightsaber forms along with the double sided lightsaber. He was a Sith Lord called darth tyrannus. Answer: I think the Sith Lords are stronger, but the Jedi are more numerous. Although outnumbered, the Sith Lord and his apprentice killed every single one of the Jedi attackers. Perhaps most of all, though, we miss the villains and antiheroes. So There! And who was his apprentice? Darth Vader nearly lost to obi-wan twice. Count Dooku(me) should be in Vader’s place or higher. Born of people's need to compare the Sith and compile a mental list of the greatest Sith ever alive, here are the top 10. Vader should be number 1, he has killed palpatine, I believe the information about marka ragnos to be false he was supposed to have been extremely powerful in the force and was unrivalled completely until he met vitiate as a child and felt that he had great power so trained him as his successor and to be even more powerful than ragnos who was all but immortal trained the emperor that became truly immortal being able to transfer his consciousness to other bodies but other that not living for ever marko ragnos was leagues ahead of everyone else in the force as an ancient sith he was naturally more powerful but was completely unbeatable by anyother force user the only one who could come close was vitiate, how is revan not 1 hes a frickin mandalorian sith. Sith I think should have made the list: Malgus, Marr, Tulak Horde, Naga Sadow. Vader destroyed the senate because it was his destiny, not because of actual power. Imagine thinking that Darth Vader is more powerful than Count Dooku. He was a Jedi who desired to protect the countless lives on the outer rim that were threatened by the Mandalorian invasions. Exar Kun later traveled to Yavin 4, where he amassed even more power. Of course, the Sith have gotten attention here and there as well. In the end, there can be no secrets between us; no jealousy or mistrust. Answer: To be completely honest, his character was still being written at the time I made this Top list. And that's just in 10 minutes of screen time. Add in all the other incidentals and the idea that his clumsiness is all a clever ploy, and we might just be looking at the most powerful Sith the galaxy has ever known. So Revan, displaying the best diplomatic abilities and leadership virtues of all the saga, mustered an enormous number of Jedi to go fight with him, disobeying the council. He sported the highest midi-chlorian count (sigh) of any Jedi ever, wiped out his fair share of Jedi (although most of them were children) during the second Great Jedi Purge, and then followed it up by ending the Sith for good by killing the Emperor. Unlike most Sith, who were solely driven by their pursuit for power, Plagueis valued knowledge above all else. Unfortunately for Malgus, he isn't among the strongest Sith, he's not even the strongest of his time, let alone ever. Just ask Yoda. He possessed his mask and resurrected himself? Answer: Sort of. This knowledge made it possible for future Sith, like his apprentice, to cheat death. Darth Bane is the Sith Lord responsible for creating the Law of Two, a fact that highlights his importance. Highest midi-chlorian level along with Luke, 36,000 to 38,000. Question: When will they make a star wars knights of the old republic movie? While a Jedi, he was considered one of the Order's greatest swordsmen, equal to Mace Windu and surpassed only by Yoda. You all are getting way too upset this one person's personal opinion and I can agree with what he is saying one caveat so I think Revan what is the strongest if you would have base it off of the first and second game and not the book cuz the second game they develop his character way more and then the book kind of just shot hole through all of it, Your quiz is wrong. Many consider him the best character outside Star Wars canon. He then went to meet Nadd's apprentice—that's right, the greatest Sith Lord who ever lived, whom I shall not name yet. I am a way better duelist than maul, I mean I have so many advantages: 3.sidious defeated both maul and savage oppress in the clone wars tv show. After his death, he was entombed there, and his tomb remained a powerful hotspot for Sith power. Zannah and Cognus aren't really top 10 material. Exar Kun. They'll probably just end up inventing an alternative story, like they did with Rey. Darth Nihilus (Killed an entire planet with his voice), 5. I also didnt like how you did add vader on this list but not one of the strongest sith of all time darth nihilus! Ruled for over a century. For the longest time, Darth Bane lived outside canon as part of Star Wars Legends. His time as a Dark Lord of the Sith was during a period of great turmoil in the galaxy, following the Jedi Civil War. The Empire Darth Sidious created was like nothing the galaxy had ever seen. Vader was able to cast force lightning but it would short out his life support so he chose not to. Everyone else is beneath him. Born a normal human, he was exposed to a catastrophic superweapon that left him with an insatiable need to feed on the Force. Vader then started to train apprentices with the consent of Darth Sidious, and his greatest apprentice was the Sith Lady-to-Be Lumiya. Palpatine was around as powerful as yoda, who was the most powerful Jedi in canon and in legends was still only seconds to Luke. His apprentice, Darth Sidious, killed him in his sleep, though perhaps taking the cowardly route by not doing so in open combat (because he knew he would be hard pressed to stop his master one-on-one). So this list includes Vader but not Dooku. Hopefully, future films will continue the trend. Answer: Because they wanted to blow the other Jedi out of the water and make her super powerful. Nihilus is what you get when you combine Marvel's Galactus with that crazy ghost from Spirited Away. Also your list is wrong. Darth Nihilus was one of the most powerful and feared Sith to have ever existed. Eager to put his Rule of Two (more on that in a bit) in action, he took the young girl as his apprentice and trained her in the ways of the Dark Side. Darth Zannah's rage and early displays of the Force attracted the attention of the sage Sith Lord, Darth Bane. I just wrote a Top 10 Star Wars books guides recently, you should check that out. While he may be the most boring Sith to ever live, his strong showing as a dueler, strategist, and Force wielder, most notably against Yoda, deserves a tip of the cap. I also think that darth malgus should be on this list because he was very good with a lightsaber and knew a lot about the force, plus imao he is much more powerful than darth bane. It’s no secret that the most powerful weapon in the Sith Inquisitor’s arsenal is their sense of fashion. This mandate allows there to ever only be two Sith -- a master and an apprentice -- at any given time; "one to embody power, the other to crave it.". Jedi who go to the Dark Side are simply called Dark Jedi. Exar kun got defeated by a bunch of kids. My favorite Sith of all time is Darth Malgus. So I don’t see how he could be the best sith duelist. Or maybe he is just as ridiculous as we've always thought and we're hopelessly trying to find something that isn't there. He also once bested Revan and was Darth Plagueis's muse since Plagueis envied his knowledge. We never saw a true testament of his skills with a lightsaber, but his mastery of Force lightning and the ability to warp reality are bar none. Question: How would you compare Darth Nihilus to the most powerful Sith Lords of all time? Truly, the most powerful Sith of all time has to be Chancellor Palpatine/Darth Sidious/The Emperor. Please tell me what you think of my comment and if it may have changed your mind. @Sam Vader suprised an overconfident distracted palpatine. Named the best lightsaber duelist ever), 3. This is the worst list ever! As an unassuming fuddy-duddy politician, Palpatine swindled his way up the ranks of the Galactic Senate to the very top. Question: Who would win: Anakin Skywalker with his full potential vs Darth Sideous / Palpatine & then Anakin Skywalker vs Luke Skywalker? Question: Don't you think in hand to hand combat Darth Maul has to be up with the best? He was a charismatic leader and brilliant military strategist with the unique talent of bending any Jedi to his will and effortlessly turning them to the Dark Side. And you guys might not think this but, When Kylo Ren is mad he is potentially the most powerful sith in existence. What about Darth Nihilus? It's like a survival of the fittest. He also marked his place in Sith history when he created his own Sith Order. Under his rule, the Sith empire flourished, regaining a glory lost long before. Answer: Vader would win. Cartoon junkies and nobodies whon cares? At the end of the Galactic Civil War, Luke surrendered to Vader, who took him to the throne room of the second Death Star. He learned to prolong his life using the Force, allowing him plenty of time to gain a massive knowledge of its inner workings. Naga Sadow (Blew up a star through the Force and destroyed several planets as a result of this), 7. In the same way that Luke stumbled upon the seemingly annoying and insignificant Yoda during The Empire Strikes Back, could history have repeated itself when Qui Gon toppled over Jar Jar on Naboo? Better known as Count Dooku, he has taken on Obi-Wan and Anakin at the same time while still having enough in the reserves to survive Yoda's ninja freakout. He slowly became remorseful of his actions, and eventually led the Jedi and Republic forces to the stronghold of the greatest Sith Lord ever. I think that if all Sith lords had a fair fight, Sidious would come out on top. Answer: Absolutely, with Disney running the show I'm certain most of the characters from Disney will just wipe the floor with Lucas' characters. He violated the Rule of Two by taking an apprentice while his master was still alive. Could it be that when George Lucas said, "Jar Jar is the key to all of this?" He could wipe out the whole Jedi order with his mind! Darth Tenebrous could take Vader or even Plagueis. His padawan Malak followed him, and that group won the war for the Republic. He was later captured by the Jedi and brainwashed to convert back to the light side. And made the Jedi look like the bad guys to boot. He would beat them with his allies though, through a laid out plan with his superior strategy skills. The strongest Jedi in my opinion is between Luke Skywalker, Yoda and Revan. However, one survived and reformed the Order into the galactic powerhouse we know and fear today. However, I confirm that he is my favorite. How do you know Dooku didn’t believe in the Sith philosophy, you can’t read his mind can you? he was referring to more than just creating a comedic foil whose face makes you throw up in your mouth and want to jump off the highest building in sight? Only through surprise did Vader manage to throw him down the shute, and even just touching Palpatine while he was channeling Force Lightning was enough to destroy Vader. Answer: There are hundreds of more Sith Lords. So that he doesn't get too powerful as he already was able to destroy planets with his hand... Darth kyrat should be on there because he had his own empire, eliminated the rule of two, and became a total monster and survived.I also think Darth sion should be on two because he was decomposing and was still alive. if it wasn't for his master replacing him, and his knowledge being limited he would have learned SOOO much more. The modern era of Sithing started with Darth Bane. If you ignore the movie-contradicting canon Vader propaganda, then he should be in the same tier as maul as a duelist, maybe even lower. It's like Vader... he only has half a body and yet is one of the most powerful Sith of all time, imagine if he kept his old body and reached his prime. How has this made you feel about the list now? and his fights with obi wan, who was trained by an increadibly powerful jedi master, were mostly unfair, maul had only lost the first fight due to him not caring about qui-gonn's lightsaber. With all of this power, no wonder he was always laughing. All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers. So vast were his abilities that he could drain a planet of life and render it forever uninhabitable. Question: You said the Black Lightsaber is the strongest, I thought it was the Kyber-saber? Darth Sidious. Adept in the seven forms of lightsaber combat with advanced telepathic abilities, Emperor Palpatine believed Galen's strength could one day rival his own. There are a lot of Star Wars novels out there that have tons of interesting characters... you should look them up! Apprentice to Darth Sidious, then known as Senator Palpatine, he became Darth Vader and killed all the Jedi in the Jedi Temple. 1. Darth Vader was the man with the most Midi-Chlorians ever, he far surpassed Yoda and was to be the most powerful force-user of all time. Question: I thought Vader was just an apprentice? His desire for power was so strong that he left the order in pursuit of forbidden teachings. are the knights of ren? Question: Is the Jedi stronger than Sith? 7. When he was attacked by the traitor Ulic Qel-Droma and his thousands of troops, he separated his body from his spirit. Dooku was a former Jedi Master drawn to the Dark Side after growing disillusioned with government corruption. The Q&A says count Dooku wasn’t a Sith. Most powerful Jedi/Sith Lord ever. Lucas himself is cited as calling Sidious the strongest Sith ever to exist. They were some of the best Jedi Masters that turned, They were a distinct order that rose with no connection to the Jedi order. The Most Powerful Sith In The Star Wars Universe. Ultimately, this desire capped his full potential for being a truly powerful Sith Lord. Probably is one of only a couple Sith who could potentially beat Luke. He even separated Luke's body from soul but was defeated by the combined power of all of Luke's students. Was Yoda meant to battle his big eared, nonsensically speaking equivalent at the end of Attack of Clones? Midi chlorians prove it all as well, and comments about Darth Vader's skills not reacing full potential is plain dumb... And for crying out loud the whole Star Wars Saga is based on two things, the Force, and Anakin and Luke Skywalker. zabraks useally live to 180 years old meaning darth maul had plenty of time to learn more. He defeated Qui Gon and Obi-Wan, and if it was not for his arrogance he could have finished Obi-Wan while he was hanging. Sidius was canonically the most powerful sith lord of all time as he has the combined knowledge and power of every sith lord since darth bane. It’s just facts ;). Darth Sidious was an apprentice to Darth Plagueis. Answer: How do you think Plagueis would have fared during Anakin's race in Naboo? Freedon Nadd taught him everything he knew before getting killed. He took the life of a politician as a facade to hide his true intentions of taking over the galaxy. Darth Vader. Darth Vader 3. First of all some of these sith are much stronger than others on this list, like revan is stronger than sidious. Here are the 15 Most Powerful Sith In The Star Wars Universe. Question: Why aren't Darth Sion, Traya, and Nihilus not on this list of the 10 most powerful Sith lords? Who do is ultimatelly stronger? The 10 Most Powerful Sith Lords In The Star Wars Universe. Question: What about Darth Traya? And on that note, sit back, relax, and give yourself over to the power of the Dark Side. He's the greatest villain of all-time and one of the most recognizable movie characters ever created. This motive—added to the fact that he was carrying a profound anger and sense of loss inside of his heart—led to his fall. However he never reached his full potential, leaving him in 10th place. He trained and became a Sith on paper, but he wasn't a Sith. Question: Was Bastila Shan supposed to stay bad or turn good? Could Count Dooku being randomly inserted into the prequels be because Lucas had to lessen Jar Jar's role due to the overwhelming backlash over the character? They eventually also gave her the boot, stripped her of her Force powers, and took over the Jedi annihilation she masterminded, but only after Traya had given them the know-how to do so. Now seriously, they were phenomenal and they did feature in my Top 50 Sith list... but I had to choose for the Top 10. Now that's awesome. Ulic then exiled himself and took Nomi Sunrider's daughter as an apprentice. As the theory goes, it's possible that not only is Palpatine working with Jar Jar, but he could even be either an apprentice or unknowing pawn to the masterful Gungan, with some going so far to speculate Jar Jar is none other than Darth Plageuis reincarnated. Answer: Doesn't make the cut, but I added him on my Top 50 list. Furthermore, through a mystery of precognition, he was renowned as one of the galaxy's most powerful combatants, earning him the moniker of “Revan the Butcher.”. During his time in power, Darth Krayt was the most powerful Sith in existence, with a presence in the Dark Side that was strong enough to be felt by every other Sith in the galaxy. Answer: They are from the books. mother talzin's parents did this too along with their parents. My opinion stands. Plagueis wasn't the best with the lightsaber, and even if his strength was Force control, he doesn't excel at it. As proof, this Force wrecking ball handily defeated Darth Vader (albeit one far from 100%) and held his own against Darth Sidious. One of his allies sabotaged his fresh supply of clones, and Sidious, with no body to occupy, desperately tried to take the body of Anakin Solo, Vader's grandson and the son of Leia and Han Solo, but he didn't succeed and finally perished. Exar Kun (Although it is arguable about who is stronger between him and Sidious). As a testament of his success, he died of natural causes rather than being killed in combat. He was merely and obstacle for Satele Shan. The fact that he could only be beaten by a mistake in the force only further improves how much stronger he is and how he was mich stronger. Drawn to forbidden teachings at an early age, he soon left the Order in pursuit of darker knowledge, which led him to the planet of Onderon and the awakened spirit of Freedon Nadd. > “Who is the strongest Jedi & Sith in Canon/EU Ahsoka Tano could beat in her prime?” Ahsoka Tano prime is in Rebels so far. Revan if you don’t know who he is; Revan was at first a Jedi then turned Sith then was wiped of his memory of being Revan and was given a new identity. Instead, they found the Star Forge, an automated shipyard that allowed them to produce an immense fleet and give them power, which seduced them to becoming Sith. Answer: Fair point, but that is probably coming from someone who doesn't know Palpatine (Sideous) actually came back after Vader killed him. As Anakin Skywalker only excelled in the martial aspect of the force - Plagueis only excelled in the study aspect of the force. Yeah sorry to ruin for you all, but Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader are the strongest Jedi and Sith Lord, although Darth Vader may also be classified as a Jedi (Anakin Skywalker, Return of the Jedi) and together they are the most powerful. Though her reliance on defense rather than being the aggressor made her weak against more powerful duelists, her use of sorcery allowed Zannah to easily overcome far stronger opponents, including her master. Vader has accolades, palpatine has actual feats. 4.ive held my own against yoda for 40 seconds with a saber, and yoda is equal to or stronger than palpatine, and palpatine killed some of the greatest duelists in the entire order in 2 seconds. Plus, they have access to better special effects now and wanted to take advantage of them. While she lacked the ingenuity, physical strength, and well-roundedness of the truly great Sith lords, few could withstand her devastating illusions. While the Jedi jump around in their stuffy monk robes acting all high and pious, the Sith get to do cool things like have horns, talk like vacuum cleaners, and shoot lasers out of their fingers. Answer: Bastilla Shan redeemed herself in the end, and I think it is canon that she became good again. The David Copperfield of Sith. Thus it has been for one thousand years, and so it must endure until I have guided you to parity. Revan was also known as a really powerful Sith Lord, able to turn Jedi at will and gain allies from everywhere. He is Right Where He Needs To Be. Bane was instructed in the old Sith Order by the Sith Council that existed back then, but he thought it was a weak council. Good list here however, just saying. Born the son of a dark-side user he was already a mass murderer and an expert torturer by the age of 10. After growing disillusioned with the state of the galaxy following the deaths of Sidious and Vader, he went off to find himself in the outer rim, only to be captured by an alien race known as the Yuuzhan Vong and tortured relentlessly. Answer: No, but he is better at lightsaber fighting. But to me, Disney's take on Star Wars is trash, and I'm not considering it. The apprentice went on to kill him in a lucky shot. If you liked this list, check out my article on the 10 strongest Jedi of all time. He was even able to make a storm on a planet which, if you ask me is one of the greatest force feats I've ever heard. Darth Nihilus was also extremely powerful and can destroy entire jedi armies and planets with just his mind using force drain. When Luke was already the grand master of a new Jedi Order, Kun tried to turn his students, killing one in the process. However, his control of the Force wasn't top notch. The biggest proof of his power is that he made Star Wars’ god Lucas to say without a doubt that he was the most powerful Sith Lord of all time. That's pretty much all you need to know about this deadly female Sith. Question: Was Count Dooku not considered a Sith? That's right, meet the master of Darth Vader's master. Darth Bane 4. Answer: He couldn't use Force Lightning Powers due to his suit and had incomplete knowledge of the Force. Answer: Well said, and he definitely is the contender for that honor. In addition, lord Bane pulled a moon out of orbit with the force, so I recommend revisiting his placement as well. And this is legends, well in legends anakin is even more powerful than Vader, and Anakin still needed an amp and obi wan as backup to beat me. Then, Sidious, we must do our best to sabotage the dynamic Darth Bane set in motion, because we will need each other if we are to realize our ultimate goals. 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